Innocence and Justice Clinic director shares thoughts on ‘Making a Murderer’ documentary with WXII

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Professor Mark Rabil, the director of Wake Forest Law’s Innocence Clinic, said he started teaching the Steven Avery murder case years before the “Making a Murderer” documentary came out. He shares his thoughts on what the popular series shows with WXII’s Briana Conner. Watch the video here.

Following is the transcription of the interview:

BRIANA: THE DIRECTOR OF THE INNOCENCE CLINIC AT WFU SAYS HE’S ACTUALLY TAUGHT THE STEVEN AVERY CASE TO STUDENTS FOR YEARS, BUT BEFORE WATCHING THE DOCUMENTARY, HE’D ALWAYS THOUGHT AVERY WAS GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

RABIL: WHAT THIS DOCUMENTARY SHOWS IN GREAT DETAIL IS THAT THE PROCESS IS NOT ALWAYS FAIR BRIANA: MARK RABIL SAYS THE FACTS, ON THEIR FACE, ALL POINT BINGE WATCHING ALL TEN HOURS OF MAKING A MURDERER HE’S NOT SO SURE. FRUSTRATED.

BRIANA: RABIL SAYS HE’S FELT THOSE SAME EMOTIONS BEFORE, WHILE WORKING AT THE CLINIC. THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF LETTERS ON FILE FROM PEOPLE WHO, LIKE AVERY, MAINTAIN THEIR INNOCENCE FROM BEHIND BARS.

RABIL: IT’S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN. THAT’S WHAT WE SEE WITH A LOT OF CASES IN OUR CLINIC IS THE IMPOSSIBILITY WHEN YOU’RE UP AGAINST THE SYSTEM.

BRIANA: THE SAME SYSTEM ACCUSED AND CONVICTED DARRYL HUNT FOR MURDERING A WOMAN IN WINSTON-SALEM. RABIL WORKED AS HIS ATTORNEY, AND HELPED EXONERATE HIM AFTER HE’D SERVED 20 YEARS IN JAIL. WHILE AVERY’S PROSECUTORS SAY THEY’RE SURE THEY GOT THE RIGHT GUY, RABIL ARGUES THERE IS NO WAY TO REALLY KNOW AND THAT MAY BE WHY PEOPLE ARE SO RILED UP RIGHT NOW.

RABIL: IT’S A COMPLETE FAILURE OF THE SYSTEM FROM TOP TO BOTTOM IN THIS CASE. IT IS A REALLY GLARING EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN GO WRONG.

BRIANA: PROF RABIL SAYS HE SEES A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE ALSO SEES SOLUTIONS. HE SAYS NOT EVERY VIOLATION OF LAW NEEDS TO BE A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. THAT MEANS LESS CONVICTIONS.